A note to all commenters

20 Nov

As an advocate for freedom of speech I hate to do this but a line must be drawn somewhere.

As of now, unproductive, hateful and irrelevant comments are banned.  I’m not pre moderating comments but if I see statements saying no more than “fuck off hippie” or “get a job and take a shower” they will be scrapped.

If you have come to share your agreement or disagreement with the ideas being presented here and are prepared to take the heat for standing by your opinions, please be welcome. If you have come to share your general hatred of the OP campers, you have come to the wrong place. Olympic Plaza does not have computers. If you care to unload your bigotry on those people you will have to go to the Plaza to do it.  Here we discuss ideas related to Occupy.

Feel free to speak as you feel but know that I watch the comments like a hawk. Be nice. And if you can’t be nice be intelligent. And if you can’t be either go read the Calgary Sun and share your thoughts there.

Thank you.

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74 Responses to “A note to all commenters”

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  4. Dave November 29, 2011 at 1:45 pm #

    Hello there idnami, Please view the following and comment.

    • eddy83 November 29, 2011 at 2:44 pm #

      This guy is a condescending mouth-piece making huge generalizaitons about a sizealbe group of people. He keeps talking about “Xboxes”, I’m not sure any acitvists are clamouring to get the next copy of Gears of War. His whole analogy about living in the woods was dripping with arrogance and didn’t even come close to addressing the issues. These folks aren’t against the output of Corporations (for the most part) but more the influence they have in the political system. Furthermore, Monsanto has done some pretty bad things over the years and deseve a little scrutiny.

      I’m not a ardant support of “Occupy” in the sense that I don’t see how taking over a public park is going to get anything done. Also, I agree that there is a bit a sense of entitilement creeping through this movement. However, raising concerns about corruption is not a bad thing. Did you see the rest of this guys videos? He obviously holds extreme views. Extreme views, no matter which side of the spectrum you follow (which in and of itself is detrimental to progress – but that is besides the poitn), will do nothing but stiffle progress.

      Time to do away with the rhetoric and work together for the common good.

    • idnami November 29, 2011 at 4:19 pm #

      Well minus the snarky sarcasm I agree with a lot of what he is saying. I think it’s pretty neat because I have actually spent a fair amount of time in the woods chopping my own firewood and boiling my own water. I never killed anything but I have harvested wild foods. It’s a beautiful way to live. Every time I’ve done this I’ve been reluctant to return to the city.
      What he is saying about the protesters is actually a lot of what the protesters are saying about our entire culture. It is plastic. It thinks it’s entitled to walk into a store and buy meat and never reflect upon the living animal that the meat once was. Our culture doesn’t think about where its products come from, who made them, were they paid properly? I think if we allowed ourselves to really be aware of the callous disregard of human life and nature that goes into a lot of the stuff we buy the guilt would be too much to bear.
      I think it’s kind of ironic that he aimed his critique at a group of 20 somethings because in fact that critique applies to the parents who coddled them and the culture which continues to coddle itself. Everything’s fine. Keep shopping.
      I had to walk to school every day. My family only owned one car and it was driven by the breadwinner of the house. If kids at my school got bad grades they failed. I never got my own Nintendo till I saved enough babysitting money to buy it. I think a certain amount of healthy competition is a good thing. That isn’t what I personally am protesting.
      I am protesting thoughtlessness, apathy, failure to properly construct a culture in which depth is valued. Hell, I’m not even protesting, actually. I’m inviting you all to begin thinking, caring and working for a world where we recognize the difference between money and quality of life. Where we are conscious of the role each of us plays in maintaining or challenging the status quo. Where if we see wrongdoing we fight it, we do not look away, change the channel, forget. I don’t think all corporations are evil. However MANY corporations are run on blood and human suffering and in many ways daily YOU AND I participate in that bloodshed and suffering by supporting those corporations. I suggest we do what we can to limit that participation and consciously choose to participate in fair-trade based, sustainable economy that doesn’t wreck the world to make a buck. And I think EVERYBODY should spend 3 days a year out in the bush seeing what real life looks like. It’s nasty, brutish, short and amazing and beautiful. I’d like to see people shut off the tv and go be part of it. I wonder if Bill Whittle ever has.
      For the record, I’m in my mid thirties. Ages of the people involved in Occupy that I have met range from 19 to 64. What Mr. Whittle says is largely true, but it isn’t very accurate.

  5. occupy movement is unCanadian November 28, 2011 at 2:25 pm #

    I understand and get the rationale behind the movement. Is there some truth to it all yes but there is also some scope to it that doesn’t fit with my lens on society.

    I think it is great that there was a protest but the movement lost any sort of credibility with me when folks started breaking the law all in the name of a civil protest. I can’t camp out in Bowness Park and say I’m doing it for a cause. So what gives the occupy folks the right to camp out in the plaza? Also who will pay for the clean up, and maintenance of the park that is supposed to be for ALL of Calgary to use not 1 group? I am guessing it won’t be the occupy group? This is sad to see.
    You are not interested in forming a political party which is also troubling to me. We live in a Country that has a political system that gives you the “right” and “freedom” to form a party and garner the support of the majority to make change. To shut that option out tells me you don’t want to be part of the process but instead just cause trouble. If you don’t want to be part of the process to keep our country great GET OUT!
    There is something very wrong with the occupy movement at its core. There is a lot of whining going on and not much proactive looking in the mirror at what YOU can do. Instead it seems to reek of what can our system do for us. Very backward way of thinking.

    • idnami November 28, 2011 at 4:02 pm #

      We’ve already covered the subject of tents ad nauseum and I won’t be addressing it.
      I also will not be addressing your sweeping judgment of a highly diverse range of human beings.
      We have offered to make all necessary repairs to any damage that can be proven to be caused by the occupiers in the Plaza. We have also asked for a breakdown of damages repeatedly. This has not been provided.
      We are involved in this because we are the people who have noticed that there is something very wrong with several aspects of society, not because we are the best ones to fix it. I’m not a firefighter, but if I see smoke pouring out of your windows I will at least try to warn you before it’s too late. That’s what we are attempting to do.

    • idnami November 28, 2011 at 4:09 pm #

      Also, being Canadian is actually beside the point as we are attempting to address a global problem.

      • occupy movement is unCanadian November 29, 2011 at 11:13 am #

        Being Canadian is what this is about. Go travel the World and tell me this is not the greatest place on earth. The democratic process is one of the corner stones of our system. Be a part of it don’t just whine and complain. Be active in the system otherwise this is anarchy.

        The movemment has broken the law and I have no time for that. I wish you luck but I can never support this.

  6. eddy83 November 24, 2011 at 11:50 am #

    What are the chances the remaining occupiers will vacate Olympic Plaza prior to the court date? The occupiers have a chance to show a bit of decorum here. They could pack up, leave the park and start on the next steps of the movement. The city officials have been very patient and given many opportunities for a respectable resolution to all this.

    While I think most of the issues the occupiers are wanting to raise are valid it is obvious their tactics are doing far more harm than good in terms of outside support. They fought hard and stood their groud but it is time to move on. The occupiers can show a bit of respect for others and it may pay off in the long run when they set up working groups and NGOs to continue debate on these improtant topics.

    • idnami November 24, 2011 at 1:59 pm #

      Honestly that would be my personal preference… but I’m not a camper and never was so it’s not my call. I hope you don’t mind but I copy/pasted this comment to our Facebook page. I think most of them would view it as giving up or defeat. If I had endured the last several weeks, especially last weekend with the minus 20 I might feel the same. Actually that’s a lie. I would be seizing on the first graceful exit I could find. But I really, really hate the cold. I would have given up and gone home a long time ago. Which is why I never pitched a tent in the first place! I had a bad case of the sniffles after being out there for 5 or so hours at the Oct 15 rally and that was enough for me.
      All I can do is hope the public wont allow their resentment toward the camp outweigh the importance of the issues. It has so far unfortunately.

      • eddy83 November 24, 2011 at 2:29 pm #

        Where was this copy and pasted?

  7. Pedro November 22, 2011 at 6:18 pm #

    Adios!!

    Montgomery triangle is Awesome!!

    • idnami November 22, 2011 at 6:33 pm #

      Are you the same guy that keeps saying that or is there some kind of club? Can someone please explain to me why the Montgomery Triangle is so awesome and what that has to do with anything? I am perfectly willing to believe that it is awesome beyond words but I am genuinely confused by the repeated reference.

      • Kim November 22, 2011 at 9:51 pm #

        group of open-minded indivduals, not club

        Montgomery triangle=state of being, state of mind

    • Anthony November 23, 2011 at 1:29 pm #

      Um, greed is bad mmmkay. So, um, don’t be greedy mmmkay.

      I just wanted to point out that the Occupy Calgary petition has 584 signatures on it. Here is a link to view or sign it if you choose:

      http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/support-occupy-calgary/

      I don’t know if the writer of the petition is on this thread or if someone here could direct me to that individual, but I’d like to challenge him or her to strike the phrase “significant support” from the petition.

      584 out of 1 039 900 Calgarians over twenty is %.056 of the over twenty population of Calgary. Here’s where I got the demographics:

      http://www.calgaryeconomicdevelopment.com/live-work-play/live/demographics

      I would consider %1 of the population supporting the cause to be “significant,” and I would look forward to hearing what the petition organizer would consider “significant” in terms of Calgary demographics.

      Finally, a third link:

      http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const/page-11.html#sc:7:s_2

      Please carefully read Section 1 as it pertains to Section 2 subs (c), (d).

      Thanks all!

      • idnami November 23, 2011 at 2:25 pm #

        Mmmmkay!

        For the record I think by this point any one of us could recite the charter backwards in our sleep. It is MUCH discussed. It is largely as a result of this movement that I am aware of my rights and freedoms as a Canadian and I have found it very educational.

        Significant support also includes the 3 unions who have sent letters of support and solidarity to Occupy.

        https://occupiedcalgaryfreepress.wordpress.com/2011/11/11/cupe-supports-occupy/

        https://occupiedcalgaryfreepress.wordpress.com/2011/11/11/teamsters-support-occupy-calgary/

        https://occupiedcalgaryfreepress.wordpress.com/2011/11/11/alberta-federation-of-labour-supports-occupy/

        Perhaps our promotion of that petition has not been extensive enough. I myself tend to question the effectiveness of petitions since the BC government rolled right over the one against the HST. In order to sign that one you had to be a registered voter. 70% of registered voters signed, a huge majority by any standard. But 100% of registered voters in BC are now paying Harmonized Sales Tax, just the same.

        We are here in part because our government does not listen to its people. Even the most vocal detractors of occupy are saying what? Nenshi doesn’t listen to us! These people perfectly illustrate the reasons why this movement needs to exist. they just don’t realize that they are speaking the same message we are. They will soon enough.

  8. Great Idea #1 November 22, 2011 at 5:40 pm #

    Why don’t you guys just start a political party.

    I noticed that in most elections the winner typically gets somewhere between 30-60% of the actual votes, abstainers notwithstanding.

    Since you represent 99% of the people, Im sure you could easily win in any election, and in due time you would control the City of Calgary, the Province of Alberta, and Canada.

    I’m sure the same would occur in all of the other countries that have 99% movements. You guys could control the world, with the full backing and support of all mankind.

    Of course, I would not bother to vote against you, what with such dominance, whats the point.

    That is, of course, if you truly want to make change.

    There is, of course, the distinct possibility that you’d rather just crash in a tent and smoke weed.

    Or that you just don’t really believe in what it is you speak of.

    Or that you don’t really represent 99%.

    Or 9% for that matter.

    Or 3%.

    • idnami November 22, 2011 at 6:23 pm #

      #1 we are not interested in controlling the world.

      #2 your comment has nothing to do with the post it is attached to.

      #3 You know nothing about any of the human beings working in every way we know to raise awareness. Therefore your words are only so much wind.

      #4 Cynicism, rudeness and hostile behaviour are absolutely unnecessary, but if it makes you feel better about yourself to repeat ignorant generalizations, you have a perfect right to. I suggest reading more of the articles in this blog before making any more such judgmental statements. The only reason your comment went to this one is that it is at the top of the page and I’m betting you didn’t attempt to learn anything about what this movement has to say for itself before coming here to condemn it.

      • Great Idea #2 November 22, 2011 at 7:30 pm #

        So is that a “No’ to the political party…….

        • idnami November 24, 2011 at 10:26 pm #

          If we were a political party we would probably be NDP. However due to the flawed electoral system in Canada it isn’t really worth attempting to enter mainstream politics in my view. What needs to be changed is people’s “me first” attitude that keeps them making shortsighted decisions for their short term comfort instead of carefully considering what kind of world we are leaving for future generations. Unfortunately since western culture rewards me firstism and greed over hard work and sacrifice, it’ll be a long time coming. Still we have to start somewhere, don’t we?

          • Sophie November 25, 2011 at 11:20 am #

            Good luck to you Mandi, i do hope you dont give up the good fight. Its unfortunate that something important has turned into an excuse for so many defiants to stomp their feet and be noticed, regardless-i DO respect what YOU stand for.

            • idnami November 25, 2011 at 4:16 pm #

              I don’t plan on giving up! I am hoping to create a more solid focus on the issues that brought us all here. It’s almost starting to work. See the above (below?) super long comment in response to Mike Honcho. The notes from that meeting are an example of where several of us would like to take this.
              Thanks Sophie.

  9. Heather MacIntosh November 22, 2011 at 11:10 am #

    There are some very serious bloggers with differing views on this site, and for me, it’s always good to see people engaging on issues.

    I want to invite you all to an event about free speech and Occupy, on Monday, Nov. 28th at noon at the Calgary Central Public Library across from Olympic Plaza, brown bag lunch provided. It’s co-organized by Chumir Ethics Foundation and Rocky Mountain Civil Liberties. Details here: http://www.rmcla.ab.ca

    • idnami November 22, 2011 at 7:43 pm #

      Thanks Heather! I clicked that link and got an error message with a suggestion of http://www.rmcla.ca/ just for the record.
      I will definitely come and I’ll pass on the message to everyone I can.

  10. Stephen November 21, 2011 at 4:51 pm #

    I have and I did.
    Thank you for your deep concern for my welfare. It warms my heart to know that there are people like you willing to take over the job that my Mother started so many years ago.
    Bless you.

    • Mike Honcho November 23, 2011 at 9:44 am #

      I just want to second Stephen’s point from a non-supporter of OC. Mandi’s been extremely respectful and if you come here saying “get a job, hippie” or “take a shower”, you’re not asking for much respect back. Plus, take some time to read and you’ll know Mandi’s got a job and she’s not looking for a handout.

      I, like Stephen, have had my disagreements with Mandi but she’s always been respectful of that and I feel if both sides would show a little more respect and acknowledge that each side has some valid points, we could move forward. I’ve said before that I support the original OWS message, I just don’t support the actual physical occupation of Olympic Plaza to convey that message. I’ve got two children and while I don’t always agree with Mandi, I also keep in the back of my mind that when I disagree with what she has to say, I know that her motivations are driven by making this a better world for those children and future generations and God bless her for that.

      • idnami November 23, 2011 at 9:51 am #

        Thank you Mike. It means a lot to know that!
        For the record, even I’m getting fed up with the camp. It’s causing a lot of division and I really don’t know what to do about it. On the one hand, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation without it. On the other, it’s tarnishing MY reputation and distracting from the issues that are the reason for it’s existence. I dunno. Thanks for still being here Mike.

        • Mike Honcho November 25, 2011 at 2:46 pm #

          No problems, Mandi. How are things going anyways? Hard to keep track now that the “good” facebook page has been locked. The other page, as I’ve said ad nauseum, is a total farce. It’s become people from both sides just calling each other names. Sad.

          From what little I can gleam from reading the blog and the forum, it seems like the camp issue is becoming more and more divisive. Problem as I see it is you likely have a hardcore group of 10-15 people that won’t move and even if the vote from the GA is 100 to 15 to move, they won’t move. In that case, you begin to wonder what’s the point of having a GA if the votes aren’t really binding to anyone?

          For what’s it worth, I was attracted to this blog via the original Facebook page, not the occupation. That’s why I think the movement can continue without the occupation. Honestly, Mandi, I think more harm was done on shutting out that Facebook page then anything. You post a lot here and I’m glad to hear your prospective on things but I don’t see a lot of post and opinions from people in the general movement who, I assume, are still using the locked Facebook page to express opinions and concerns. As for the forum, it’s more about planning and actions rather than ideas. Keep up the blog, Mandi, as long as you keep posting, I’ll keep reading.

          • idnami November 25, 2011 at 4:11 pm #

            Hey Mike,
            Honest to god, people like you are what keeps me going. I really appreciate your objectivity and continued interest.
            Things are going… Hmmm. It’s hard to say. Things with ME are going pretty well as I’ve begun drawing some boundaries on my overall involvement. Trying to do too many things at once was getting exhausting. I’ve decided this blog is the best use of my occupy-related energies and I’m focusing on that so I have time to do some fun stuff with the rest of my life. I’ve got my big dance debut coming up so I’m spending more time practicing and less sitting on my butt in front of a computer!
            On the occupy side, I had a meeting with some people in a new working group called “moving forward” Ive included some notes from that meeting below. I’d be interested in your thoughts.
            For what it’s worth, the fb group has degenerated in many ways and there is also a growing split between people who see face-to-face interaction as a key value of the movement and those who think we should just use whatever tools are available to reach people. While I appreciate the former POV I am firmly in the latter. Plus the posts bounce around in a very dizzying way because of the number of people posting.
            I find GA process complicated and cumbersome as well as non-representational. I’ve proposed the use of the forum as an extension of the GA for making decisions that don’t relate to camp matters, as I hope we will increasingly focus on real action.

            Here are the notes from the Moving Forward meeting.

            Show more gratitude to those who have provided support so far. This includes the city. Also Pizza Bob’s. I’ve agreed to host an ad for Pizza Bob’s on the blog and I proposed that we approach other small businesses with similar offers as a free service. This is a cost-free way to give back to the community and show our support for the small companies we would like to see more prominently represented. I was hoping we could do that with the newsletter too. This would be a way to raise good faith and helps everybody. We wouldn’t ask for money to put these ads in, though businesses may voluntarily donate if they choose. (this proposal is currently under discussion as some don’t agree with the idea of advertising)

            In regards to these same businesses we talked about “consumer mobbing” ie, if Occupy or participants in it need supplies, we show up all at once to do our shopping and hand out some literature at the same time. We can do “pro” demonstrations raising awareness and support for small businesses rather than “anti” demonstrations against large corporations. This becomes very important with xmas approaching.

            We talked about performing public service. Food drives, fundraisers etc designed to help other people because we care about living in a kind and loving society. Those at the meeting agreed Occupy should be more service oriented and less self involved.

            This is all about revamping our PR and sending a positive message rather than a negative one.

            It was also suggested that we work on coordinating all Canadian Occupy groups and having regular contact and communication. Cross Canada actions will have greater impact. Online organization was also discussed as being key to local and national communication. We propose to use this forum rather than Facebook for that.

            I have a note about a proportional representation rally for electoral reform. I think that topic got sidetracked in the meeting.

            Reaching out to senior citizens in need was suggested as another public service we could perform.

            We talked about asking for a discussion of the strategic perspective of the camp, plus asking people to clearly define their position with regards to specific political stances of individual members.

            We propose to make the Moving Forward group the hub of all the other working groups so that there is a flow of information between all of them and things can be organized more efficiently and we don’t have duplicates of some proposed projects and non action on others.

            How to assist the camp in representing the overall movement with the understanding that, as the public face, it needs to be presentable, acceptable and welcoming. Also how to deal with certain negative attitudes within the movement.

            We propose a focused discussion of short term and long term goals.

            Delegates vs leaders. We class ourselves as leaderless but there is a clear need for structuring and dedicated, accountable facilitation. Especially when reaching out to other Occupy groups, for the sake of clarity, we should appoint specific individuals accountable for dealing with their part of the outreach. For example, ambassador to Occupy Edmonton could be one person, ambassador to Toronto someone else and so on.

            Leading by example. Be the change and all that. We need to infiltrate the system and create change from within, starting with individual internal and external behavioural shifts to reflect what we would like to see in others.

            Cultivating allies rather than alienating them.

            Be modern day Robin Hoods! Be dedicated, audacious and active in helping our community in every way we can.

            Joanne called in for part of the meeting to let us know that she sought advice from OWS on the subject of inclusion in the GA process. She was told that they hold an online international event every friday.

            Jan suggested that we could possibly convince her church, easily accessible by #3 bus, to let us use their hall and kitchen for hosting meetings and events.

            Brent Talbot and Chris Beggs were suggested as key camp contacts to speak to regarding the public image of the camp.

            The most important thing I got from this meeting was a resounding unanimous desire to be social rather than anti social and be helpful rather than demanding help. We will garner more support by this method than simply asking people to support us. This can take place in many ways.

            We teleconferenced with Chelsea’s crew and the subject of holding meetings in public rather than private spaces came up since due to space constraints I was unable to host everyone who wanted to attend. I agree to a point but due to the fact that this meeting ran nearly 4 hours with only 9 people present it is best to keep these gatherings small.

            That’s all I’ve got. Good meeting!

            * edit* I forgot to take notes on this part but a rep from the AFL suggested hosting a benefit event for working class people to share their stories. I’ll be asking Allan to refresh me on the details because I have already forgotten most of them. There was a lot discussed. Sorry Allan! I think it’s in the vid we took today which we are working on getting posted.

            • idnami November 25, 2011 at 4:12 pm #

              That comment was longer than most of my articles. Sorry!

            • Just a regular Joe November 26, 2011 at 9:06 am #

              Great Idea. Post free advertisements for “Occupy-Friendly” businesses here. So I know where I will not be spending any dollars going forward. I seriously doubt any business person would want to be affiliated with your group, particularly if this means potentially losing business of all the anti-occupy folks.

              • idnami November 26, 2011 at 12:39 pm #

                I very much doubt everyone is so bigoted. But yes an attitude like that would go a long way towards preserving the culture of fear that makes people ashamed to stand up for what they believe in. Good one.
                Anyway you are missing out if you boycott Pizza Bob’s. Best pizza in town.

  11. Reality November 21, 2011 at 4:50 pm #

    Tooo funny. An open forum for view yet you choose to delete the comments that dont suit you. I am sure that you will delete this one as well. What did you accomplish with all this nonsense?? D_ ck all!! People will not remember you in a good way, it is and will be a joke in the future. I like how you try to sound so moral and sooooo intelligent on this blog.–Typical liberal nonsense.

    Have fun on here

    Campsite will be taken apart and you will be forgotten

    i truly hope that you all get jobs and housing or more education or whatever it is that makes you happy and allows you to live your dreams.

    ,…I will not allow myself to look at this blog again

    • idnami November 21, 2011 at 6:04 pm #

      Well in case you can’t resist you will note that I am not deleting it because it expresses a valid opinion. I disagree of course but disagreement is an important aspect of discussion and allows us to hone and focus our ideas, so thanks for your thoughts.
      It is only possible to sound intelligent if you are. Some people are intelligent but choose to speak as if they were not. That is ok. Speech is free. However in order to make an intelligent statement you have to have a mind capable of formulating that statement. I write like a person who reads a lot. Know why? Because I read a lot. And then I think. And then I write. My conclusions are not all correct, my methods may be flawed, but I’m up here trying. What are you accomplishing by coming here and ripping down our ideas? Dick all. Thank you for reading.

    • Alessandro Machi November 22, 2011 at 12:28 am #

      After Newt Gingrich’s absolutely inane comment during the last debate about occupiers taking a shower and finding a job, I think it’s great to limit the stupidity.

      http://www.occupynews.net

  12. Anonymous November 21, 2011 at 11:51 am #

    Censorship FTW!

    Honestly the frustration you’re feeling over the “get a job hippie” type comments is an accurate parallel to how many Calgarians are feeling about the group currently camping out in the plaza.

    They feel the occupiers haven’t expressed themselves in a coherent manner and as such have failed to win the public support.

    You’re tired of comments like “occupy a job” while we’re tired of a cluttered park and signs like “down with corporations!”.

    You don’t want to provide a forum for slander against the occupiers (which is fine, it’s your website), while the public doesn’t want to provide a forum for misdirected anger & ill informed rabble rousing.

    So yes, delete the rude comments if you must, but also consider your support for the group currently camping out in our park and how the public feels about that.

    Maybe I’m just projecting, but it seems there’s already a bit of a split forming between those down at the plaza & the writers of this blog.

    • idnami November 21, 2011 at 12:09 pm #

      I get that people are frustrated. But I don’t come to your house and shout obscenities at you. We have limited our activities to public space where people are free to engage or ignore. This applies to Olympic Plaza as well as this website. When people drop garbage on the ground at OP, the campers pick it up. When people drop garbage here, I pick it up. I don’t like censorship either but there can be a fine line between free speech and abuse. I’ve been forced to draw it here.

      • Anonymous November 21, 2011 at 12:33 pm #

        “but there can be a fine line between free speech and abuse. I’ve been forced to draw it here.”

        Myself (and many others) feel the campers have crossed well into the abuse side of things at the plaza.

        You are of course free to disagree with that of course, but just realize this is the point that much of the public is at.

        • idnami November 21, 2011 at 5:54 pm #

          I realize how public opinion is currently set, yes. There are problems with the camp which we acknowledge and are working on. As for me, since I am not a camper and this is the only domain I control, I choose to make it safe and as welcoming as possible. If people insist on being rude and insulting for it’s own sake and in a way that is not relevant to anything, I will delete their comments. It’s that simple. If you notice their is plenty of dissent going on and that is all allowed to remain.
          I would argue that no one in the camp is probably abusing you personally. If they do you have every right to object.

    • Stephen November 21, 2011 at 5:12 pm #

      If Anonymous took the time to read all the posts, her or she would have seen that Mandi and I have gone toe to toe on this very issue. Sure we have had some heated discussions, and I strongly disagreed with some of her methods, but guess what folks, all my posts are still up and I’m not banned. I am still opposed to censorship, but the removal of the foul name calling is not what I would categorize as censorship. As Mandi indicated, it is simply a little housecleaning. As to the idea of a split, I would call it the free exchange of ideas. Not everybody agrees with everything, and some agree with nothing. It does not mean that Occupy is divided at all. This I have learned first hand by spending time down at the Plaza. OK I will admit that the park may look a little untidy with the tents setup, and maybe it could be made a bit more presentable, but understand that there are individuals in this city (no names but you know who he is) that make it a mission in life to bash everything he is opposed to. One piece of litter on the ground and his camera goes into overdrive. One unfortunate accident involving excrement (still up for debate on the source of that) and he is literally shot into nirvana. I personally don’t think I am misdirected, nor am I ill-informed as you so eloquently put it, nor have I ever roused a rabble. Aside from the media, which by the way I am one of, exactly how many residents of this city have you actually heard speak in disgust about the Occupy movement in Calgary? 10? 20? 100? As for the support of the public, once the Occupy movement has awakened the sleeping giant, it will be an unstoppable force.

      Just my humble offerings to the forum.

  13. Sophie November 21, 2011 at 9:39 am #

    im quite fed up with hearing about this “occupy” nonsense. what do you expect to accomplish? i get that you are frustrated, we all are, but such is life. it has always been that way, some people are rich and some are poor and most are in between. 1%? sure, but im curious what the percentage of homeless people in canada is? perhaps around 1%? maybe less? sounds equal to me…have you no pride at all? we live in probably the greatest country in the world and you guys gotta pitch tents and complain about it? why not be grateful you were not born in afganistan, libya , sri lanka… i could go on and on and on and on. for the most part, life in canada is what YOU make it, i never heard a success story of someone getting rich from pitching a tent. The longer this gets dragged out the least success your going to achieve, at first i think most people were on board with what was being done but the focus has completely turned to fighting for your rights to pitch a tent wherever you want like a bunch of unruly kids who just want to get their way. life is full of disappointments, best get used to it.

    • idnami November 21, 2011 at 12:06 pm #

      If you are tired of hearing about it, why are you reading our blog?

      • Sophie November 21, 2011 at 3:46 pm #

        if youre really trying to make a difference, why waste your time blogging? why dont you guys use some of that spirit and drive to do something IMPORTANT.

        • idnami November 21, 2011 at 5:59 pm #

          Actually we are. The blog is a tool for public discussion of why we are here. We have been discussing the best way to focus our energies partly based on the collaboration of ideas right here in this blog. I suggest that you don’t allow the mainstream media to be your only source for information about this movement because they won’t cover anything positive we do or pretty much anything else except tents. I was present for the serving of eviction notices and decided to make a speech about what brought us all there. It was a good speech and a lot of cameras were pointed in my direction. They were pointed away again after a few seconds when it became clear that I was addressing issues, not tents.
          Details to be released later but positive community oriented action plans are in progress as of now. Stay tuned!

      • Stephen November 21, 2011 at 4:53 pm #

        👍

      • Stephen November 21, 2011 at 4:54 pm #

        Thumbs up was for Mandi, not the other poster.

      • TNA November 21, 2011 at 8:07 pm #

        “It was a good speech and a lot of cameras were pointed in my direction.”

        Oh. Now I get it. You love the attention. As much as you want to revolt against all the swear words and insults, you love every single Google Analytic hit and it makes you feel like your message — no matter how deluded and misguided — is being heard.

        All for the sake of your ego.

        That must be why James Bullock serves as a fantastic pawn in your little game.

        • idnami November 22, 2011 at 6:47 pm #

          Man, you are so determined to be negative aren’t you? I feel kind of sorry for you at this point.
          You bet your ass I love the attention. I won’t lie. I’m a performing artist besides being an activist and I think you have to like the attention in order to stand up and speak as loud as I do. It is really empowering for me personally and it is really nice to know I’m doing it for a good cause. And yes, I do feel a real sense of personal satisfaction in the amount of traffic this site gets. I wouldn’t do this if I didn’t, I’d go cook for the camp or something instead. This is what I can do to be useful because it’s what I’m good at and doing what you are good at is FUN.
          What I was getting at is media bias as evidenced by their disappointment when I stood up and spoke clearly about some of the things occupy stands for. If I started ranting about corporate pigs and such you can bet those cameras would have been glued to my face and you would be feeling all kinds of superior watching me go off. So the media is not interested in a positive message and clearly neither are you. So what does your opinion of me matter? Not much. I would like to be able to get along with everybody but some people just don’t wanna.
          Any further references to using James Bullock as a pawn will be zapped. I intended that story as a way of sticking up for him when a person mistreated him. You can twist that any way you like, but not here anymore, dig it?

  14. Stephen November 20, 2011 at 6:12 pm #

    Mandi please don’t call me “honey”. My Mother can call me that, but from anybody else it is condescending and really incincere. I don’t use the terms “babe”, “sweetie” or anything else like that when referring to a member of the opposite sex.

    • Stephen November 20, 2011 at 6:15 pm #

      AND, I did not call you a hypocrite. I was making reference to a number of the FaceBook pages and forums, including this one, and stated “hypocrisy abounds”.

      • idnami November 20, 2011 at 7:11 pm #

        And since your comment was partly directed at my actions, it amounts to the same. I don’t mind, though I found it a bit manipulative. You’ll notice I didn’t delete it. Free speech is good.

    • idnami November 20, 2011 at 6:54 pm #

      Freedom of speech does have boundaries after all? Ok. I won’t call you honey. And if anyone calls me or you a hippie, a dirty bum etc. I’ll delete it.

      • Stephen November 21, 2011 at 1:16 am #

        A great compromise.
        Peace and love.

        • idnami November 21, 2011 at 1:26 am #

          *Like*

  15. idnami November 20, 2011 at 4:28 pm #

    I’d also like to point out that I don’t plan on banning any person from speaking on here. Just cleaning up the trash they sometimes leave behind.

  16. Shane W November 20, 2011 at 1:13 pm #

    The more I read about what the movement is about the more I have come to a realization. Your basis is correct on the fact that only a few truly share in the wealth that this world has to offer. The rest are left for table scraps. You site conditions in a world most of you have never seen and never will. You are trying to be a voice for people who do not want it, cause in there world they are happy and successful. There is talk of the gold mines in South Africa and how “evil” they are to the common South Africian. Having lived I South Africa for years you have no idea of what you are talking about. I’m going to assume that oil companies of Alberta are also “evil” yet most people I know who work for these make above average salaries and more people are trying to get on with these companies than trying to leave. It’s hard to respect individuals who have done nothing to actually change the impact of society. I have not seen one person from any of these movements that can say, not only do they talk about this movement but have made a difference in the life of the people they are shouting for. I am what you would call a “1%”. I do not get on a soap stand and preach I quietly go about my bussiness. I come from a humble side of Calgary growing up. I can honestly say I have lived my life in helping the cause, and helping people who want the help. You should really take a hard look in the mirror about what your really trying to improve and ask yourself what are you really saying. Than wake up! make a difference in your opportunity and than start helping the system. Most of your movement is young and very ignorant in what you believe. Freedom and free speech come with a price and at this point you are stealing off the backs of people you so call speak for. I hope one day you find the peace you seek. Maybe take a trip around the world for yourself you might actually learn something.

    Yours Truly
    “1%”

    • idnami November 20, 2011 at 1:36 pm #

      If you are in the 1% of people in the world who control the majority of the wealth but you came from the humble side of Calgary you must have a fantastic success story. I’d be interested to hear it.

      • Shane W November 20, 2011 at 2:25 pm #

        Idnami,
        1996 I purchased a small 2 bedroom condo in the NE for 69000 at the time I worked in a warehouse making 13.00/ hour. I rented it out.
        1997, spent 3 years volunteering in Southern Africa at the age of 19. I spent the money I saved from the warehouse job. Aprrox 12000. At 21 came home spent 4 years training to become an Electrician. I received my ticket and was working all over the world on drilling rigs as a Electrical Tech. Thailand, India, Africa, Mexico. Coming from a humble start, I took equity out to buy my second property from the first, and bought another property. I have 15 properties in Alberta . I also invested money into a few companies in both the minning sector and oil sector. I cashed out half and put some money into various local investment here in Calgary. At this point own a medium size Electrical company we focus on projects such as low income housing. I personally donate my time and my resources to such local programs as habit for humanity. The employees of the company that donate there time through the year, are than flown with me to places such as Costa Rica, Mexico, and Belize to do the same thing for those programs. I have become very frusterated with the movement due to all I personally do.I have seen people talking but is anyone down at the local shelters helping out. All I’m hearing is please someone do something. Look in the mirror and shout that are you even listening to yourself. I never once received a hand out, I come from a family of 6 and had to work for what I have. I made some smart choices in the good times and have made it through the bad times. Most people on this site will come up with an excuse to all of this point. Some may even say its a lie. Eithe way I know for a fact I have made a difference but can the occupy movement say the same?

        • idnami November 20, 2011 at 3:28 pm #

          That’s impressive for sure. I have no problem with hard work leading to success and if you are also giving back to the community then that makes you an example of actions and sentiments that we’d all like to see more of.
          I was raised by a single mom who struggled hard to keep food on the table. I started working full time at the age of 16 and haven’t stopped. I’m 34 now. I have said many times on this blog, I’m not looking for a handout. I don’t expect any personal gain to result from my involvement from this movement.
          I have also done my share of volunteering. I’ve done volunteer work at the Ki Lo Na friendship centre in Kelowna BC and I’ve also been a Girl Guide leader. I currently volunteer more of my time working on this blog to raise awareness than I spend doing paid work, which I do full time.
          You may consider that a waste of time but I hope you will also acknowledge the sincerity of intent. As far as whether Occupy will make a positive difference, time will tell, won’t it? You have had years to build. We have only been going for a month. Some would say we already have made a positive difference. For example, up until Oct 15 I had little awareness of the ins and outs of politics or economics and in the short time I have been involved I have done a ton of research and learned a lot. A lot which scared me and a lot which gave me hope.
          And there it is. We know there are changes that need to be made, but it’s really hard to know where to start.
          For the record, there is a lot of talk of moving forward and doing some of the things you suggest. The campers represent less than 10% of Calgarians who currently consider themselves part of Occupy. People like myself who work hard at their jobs or at school as well as parents, grandparents, veterans etc. There is a lot more to it than what is being portrayed on the news and we are developing into a group of people who passionately care about our world and aren’t about to give up.
          I very much wish more of the 1% were like you – ambitious but not greedy and who are willing to give of themselves, not because they have to, but because they can.
          Thanks for reading.

    • eddie November 20, 2011 at 8:29 pm #

      Shane W ,

      You are not a “1%” . You are actually part of the 99 % .

      Can you get Steven Harper or any MP to personally take your phone call ?
      Can you get the government to give you multi million dollar loans at 0 percent interest ?
      Can you create money out of thin air and loan it to the governments of the world and collect interest on the money that you created out of nothing ?

      I doubt you can do those things …. but those are just a few of the things that the 1% can do .

  17. Nyk aka Satya November 20, 2011 at 12:01 pm #

    Whoot yes!

  18. Morley,Challenged November 20, 2011 at 10:03 am #

    It should be borne in mind that while this site has several authors, idnami still receives and manages the response to commentary alone, on a voluntary basis, as this blog’s administrator. It is enough of a burden to respond to legitimate commentary, since it is clear when so much of it is not.

  19. Anonymous November 20, 2011 at 8:04 am #

    We are all entitled to free speech. If the commentator can’t put the effort in to communicate halfway intelligently and only expresses themselves through profanity and abusive language I think they should lose their right to comment. I support this wholeheartedly! If they would like their opinion expressed they have the option to do it in a decent manner.

    • Stephen November 20, 2011 at 8:54 am #

      That would be true if all had the superior level of comprehension that has been exhibited in this forum, but the truth is that some members of our society do not have the skills to contribute on that level. We say we speak for the 99% and that includes those that disagree or maybe lack the skills to respond any more that a F You type of comment. Maybe we should restate the purpose to say we support the 45% that are literate and can communicate effectively. Censorship on any level can never be tolerated. If the argument can’t stand on it’s own, then it is an argument without any merit.

      • Stephen November 20, 2011 at 9:01 am #

        In addition to the censorship that will now be taking place on this forum, many of the Occupy FaceBook pages have instituted their own measure of censorship. Dissenting voices are being relegated to some other place like the Anti-Occupy pages where they are free to speak their minds. Interesting thing is those same Anti-Occupy pages allow the Pro-Occupy supporters to post and don’t feel the need to banish them. Now ask yourself, exactly who is taking the higher moral grounds in all of this? There are complaints about the media being biased and not telling the whole story, and yet, the same sort of bias is being allowed and promoted by the Occupy pages and forums. Hypocrisy abounds.

        • idnami November 20, 2011 at 12:04 pm #

          I understand your concern Stephen but calling me a hypocrite is not going to change anything. There is a big difference between sharing an opinion and being deliberately antagonistic and abusive. I don’t put up with verbal abuse in my personal relationships, why should I here?
          I am letting it be known that basic manners now apply, and no honey, I don’t care if you don’t like it. If someone comes here to take a poop in our yard I will clean it up before someone else steps in it.
          If you take a look around there are still plenty of dissenting, even vehemently opposing comments left standing. The only ones getting zapped are the ones we have all heard enough times to make us sick. This thing may be about inclusiveness but I will not tolerate abuse. Period. People can feel free to send their hate mail to the above address. I’m not subjecting my readers to it anymore.

  20. Stephen November 20, 2011 at 6:10 am #

    Without free speech no search for truth is possible… no discovery of truth is useful… Better a thousandfold abuse of free speech than denial of free speech. The abuse dies in a day, but the denial slays the life of the people, and entombs the hope of the race.The fact is that censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion.

    The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.

    • AFish November 23, 2011 at 10:16 pm #

      I agree with this in principle. But there’s a difference between censorship and good editing. As you likely ascertained from the title of this blog, the format here is that of a newspaper. Newspapers are not obliged to run every letter to the editor, they pick the ones that they want to run, because they want to attract readership. A comments section that’s full of insults and attacks gets tired really quickly.

  21. Anonymous November 20, 2011 at 12:47 am #

    Thank you idnami….Occupy is about dialouge….some people just don’t know how to have a civil discussion and cause distructive energy. It’s not good for anyone the one saying the rotten stuff or the ones listening to it.

    Bravo! 🙂

    • idnami November 20, 2011 at 1:34 am #

      The dialogue is what is most important. Everyone needs to feel welcome and safe.
      Except mean people who come to say stupid things.
      The discussion will still stand unmoderated except for that.

      • raz November 20, 2011 at 1:05 pm #

        Not mean people. Mean actions. The mean actions of a person is not the person. Remember that.

        • idnami November 20, 2011 at 1:38 pm #

          Quite right. Thank you for the correction. It is the debris of mean action that I will be removing.

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